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  HLC talks to cease

  by dozy in

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  it has long been the practise for hlc members to give occasional (usually annually) public & special talks and local needs items on blood & related issues at meetings.

  these were often quite well organised with powerpoint presentations , handouts and open q & a session.. as of jan 2008 , the wts has written to all hlc members telling them that they can no longer do this & has written to bodies of elders telling them that they can no longer invite brothers to give talks , especially concerning the "advance medical directive document".. a hlc friend tells me that the wts apparently are further wanting to distance themselves from possible legal action and are also concerned that some hlc members are putting their own slant on the wts "conscience matters"..

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  Just more legal fiddling by the men who are really running the organisation these days: the lawyers!

  Meantime, all the GB and it's committees can come up with in 10 years is a pathetic & trifling flip-flop on the generation understanding. Dumbasses
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  Annointed not inspired - do they say that in there own publications?

  by cognac in

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  2. bible

  but they say that they have god's holy spirit... whats the difference?

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  This was the first item of Cognitive Dissodence that got me thinking... They are not (and admit not to be) inspired, they have the ability to (and admit that they can and do) make errors due to being imperfect men, but you must believe them 100% without question. Sounds like BS to me...

  You summed it up perfectly Robert!
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  VIDEOS: Former Jehovah's Witness goes to give blood in defiance of JW dogma

  by B_Deserter in

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  2. experiences

  part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a8lfamxp98.

  part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jllj8uc6544.

  part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lijuwqcaxnk.

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  A cup of tea after giving blood is dumb because tea is a diuretic, like coffee. It dehydrates you, doesn't replace water.
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  Universal Issue of Sovereignty Does NOT Exist....Proof......

  by oompa in

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  we are taught that the $hit mankind has endured for thousands of years is because satan said something that could be construed to be bad about god, and so god said...."let's let mankind see if they are better off following satan and leading themselves, or following me.

  " now thousands of years later, this universal issue is still not settled...after all...the angles and demons are waiting with baited breath for the end result.. do you think that just because you were taught since youth that this "universal sovereignty issue" is real, it is?

  i have some real good biblical reasons this is not even an issue.............................................oompa.

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  You're welcome Oompa, thanks. I was born into the Watchtower religion so have known about the 'issue of universal sovereignty' (JW style) since childhood, but I first found out about Ellen G White's book The Great Controversy when in my teens, when I saw an old copy in a second-hand book shop. Just do a Google search for it and you could read it for free on the internet now.
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  Universal Issue of Sovereignty Does NOT Exist....Proof......

  by oompa in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  we are taught that the $hit mankind has endured for thousands of years is because satan said something that could be construed to be bad about god, and so god said...."let's let mankind see if they are better off following satan and leading themselves, or following me.

  " now thousands of years later, this universal issue is still not settled...after all...the angles and demons are waiting with baited breath for the end result.. do you think that just because you were taught since youth that this "universal sovereignty issue" is real, it is?

  i have some real good biblical reasons this is not even an issue.............................................oompa.

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  I do believe in an issue of universal sovereignty (more about 'free will') but whether the issue makes sense or not depends on whether you believe that resurrecting everyone who has ever suffered and died in this 'old system' is justifiable so long as they all get resurrected into a 'new system' where they will enjoy life for centuries, hopefully for all eternity, in a future paradise earth without suffering and death. The question then is: is such a future prospect for all the dead who suffered horribly enough to negate that suffering & death? My view is that this definitely would be enough and that Jehovah is justified in not intervening to remove wickedness PROVIDED that this future paradise earth, resurrection scenario that the JW's preach will actually come about! I see nothing wrong with the logic that given sufficently long time horizons and pleasant enough future conditions, whatever happens to a person in this short lifetime can be made up for.

  And it wasn't J F Rutherford who first came up with this theory...it was Ellen G White of the 7th day Adventists with her book "The Great Controversy"...written long before Rutherford. Rutherford clearly borrowed his ideas from this.

  What is wrong about the JW's version of this issue is the horrendous idea that Jehovah is going to kill for all eternity billions of humankind soon at Armageddon. That makes a mockery of Jehovahs love, justice, mercy and blows the whole theory out of the water.

  Satan never claimed to be able to turn all of mankind away from God. JW's seem to imagine that if only a tiny fraction of humanity can avoid being corrupted by Satan then that is enough to settle the issue of universal sovereignty! Nonsense! If God is forced to slaughter nearly all of the human race at Armageddon, then Satan would clearly have won the issue of Universal Sovereignty, even if some of mankind always kept their integrity!
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  My Husband found out about this site...

  by cognac in

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  i told him that i have no intention of leaving.... he told me that i was like "a dog returning to its vomit"... .

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  JW's love to pull out that harsh scripture. It's about all they can say to people who leave the organisation. The other one is "get behind me Satan." A long time friend said that to me recently, the asshole.

  Don't let it get you down....

  Here's what you need to do: Just quote to your (loving) husband the scripture in Isaiah 28:18 where Jehovah tells his people that their tables are full of of filthy vomit. When he tries to say that this only applies to Christendom, point out to him that if Jehovah's Witnesses are God's name people that houses "spiritual Israel" then how on earth could it apply to Christendom since they have never housed any of the anointed! He won't be able to deny that. Tell him that therefore this prophecy must mean today that Jehovah is disgusted with many aspects of HIS OWN PEOPLE, like he was back then with his OWN PEOPLE the ancient Israelites. Then tell him what aspects of his own people today does he think Jehovah would be similarly disgusted by as he was with his ancient name people? When he says he has no idea, let him know that websites such as this reveal all of the filthy vomit in the organisation that 99% Jehovah's Witnesses deny exists and are afraid to find out about!

  You go girl!
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  Why won't South Park parody the Witnesses

  by joelbear69 in

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  is it because jehovah is protecting his people from this?

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  Cause they already did the Mormons and in most people's eyes there ain't much difference...they're both brainwashed, obnoxious pests who come a knocking on your door.
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  Barbara Anderson's Comments from her CD compilation now online!

  by Dogpatch in

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  2. friends

  barbara anderson's comments from her cd compilation:.

  secrets of pedophilia in an american religionjehovah's witnesses in crisis.

  update 1/17/08: barbara anderson has released her nearly 100-page commentary found on the cd, secrets of pedophilia in an american religion, jehovah's witnesses in crisis, for general distribution.

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  Awesome! Let's hope the Watchtower gets rocked even harder by another massive court action. I think it will only take one more big case with accompanying media exposure to really get the ivory Tower wobbling & ready to fall. It's about the only thing that will do it.
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  Can the WTBTS change 1914 and survive?

  by jefferywhat in

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  2. beliefs

  the society has changed equally as big doctrines in the past, but could this end the illusion?

  i have read a lot of leolaia posts and have seen the attempt of scholar to counteract however unconvincingly.

  im not after conspiracy, im after fact, could they move the end of the gentile times to 1934/35?

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  Your after fact, about whether the Society could shift from one bogus date to another? I think you mean you are after solid speculation?

  Yes, they can practically do anything they like and as long as the sheeple remain spellbound by the notion that the GB are a modern day version of the first century apostles & older men, the Tower will get away with it.
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  What Bible do you use?

  by OMG! Now What? in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  in my new search for truth, i'm back to my old routine of getting my 7+ different bibles out and comparing them all.

  which one have you chosen, if at all, and why?

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  I detest all old Shakespearean style English bibles. This is the 21st fckn century!!!